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1882
Today at 12:29 PM
#1,921
meaningless-friendly said:
We look like a mid-table team with a mid-table coach.
...that's the 'dream'!!
At times this season we've looked like relegation fodder!
"TURDARE IS TURDO"
skywalker68
Today at 12:37 PM
#1,922
Don Corleone said:
It used to for me, but I don’t actually like the football team. I hate most of the players and I hate our chairman. When you have that much hate towards something, it becomes a lot easier
Same here I used to hate losing and the team being a soft touch but now I'm not bothered.
I have accepted that this club is going nowhere fast, doesn't compete let alone win anything so why should I invest time and money (high prices) in something that won't happen.
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Guido
Guido "Legacy Fan"
Today at 1:17 PM
#1,923
Ulrika Jonsson said:
Controversial I know but I thought Dier had a good game.
We conceded from a set piece 2 weeks running where we miss a header. I don’t think it was Romero this time but it was side and where he should have been. Early days so hopefully he will get better.
Game deserved a draw or Spurs win, but we came away with nothing. That’s football sometimes.
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I popped in here to add a half-time comment where I wanted to highlight a point I've been banging on about in the Dier thread. Fans need to look and the dynamic of our two CB's right now, the partnership is clearly in it's infancy but I like it. It has Romero has the aggressor, playing as he dose on the front foot, looking to get ahead of the CF as the ball is played to him, give him a rough game by challenging and competing for every ball, rather than dropping off him a bit to avoid getting rolled or beat in a 1vs1.
Whilst Romero is doing this it's Dier that's anchoring behind him. It's high risk as when I popped in here at half-time I was drawing to the two occasions that Romero lost his duels 1v1 with Antonio, but Dier was positionally covering and nothing came of the two times.
But across the game, it was Romero that came out on top between those two. Twice in the 2nd half, Romero followed Antonio dropping deep to receive the ball, he ended up winning on both occasions and set up attacks on both occasions, one of which he remained up the pitch. I really like this but fans have to accept that it's high risk that he will miss one of these duels and it will result in a goal scored, see Villa's goal for an example. But fans who have no idea what's going on here seem to blame Dier for it!!!
Antonio's goal was scored by Kane, the man marker just didn't compete for the ball, very poor from him. Our CB's are zonal, so not marking (another point I made last week to the Dier haters who said he wasn't making anyone).
I think Spurs were the better of the two sides (West Ham were better in the 1st 10 mins and I thought they played quite well following the goal) but really Lloris was a total spectator during this game.
Whilst I think Spurs were the better side, I still don't think they deserved to win, I thought they defended well and the midfield controlled the majority of the game but Spurs attack was woeful! There were a couple of nice combinations in the first half but Kane in particular was very, very poor. So many games in the past we've seen Kane spray beautiful passes to Son etc..He got himself on the ball in those positions but every pass didn't find it's mark.
It wasn't just Kane though the entire front 4 (including Ndombele in this) just didn't play with any intensity, I think this was deliberate. This was particularly annoying as I thought West Ham was there for the taking had Spurs attacked as we know they can (also because West Ham would struggle given 50% of their team played Thursday and 100% of Spurs team didn't). Also back to Kane, it's a similar situation going on with Man U and Ronaldo, neither of these players press and I think it affects negatively the dynamic of the team (Engalnd too).
There is a lot of Hyperbole around BOTH teams at the moment, whilst Moyes has done a decent job at West Ham (a mid-table at best but normally still in a relegation scrap with 5 games to go) 2nd time around they are still a side totally reliant on set pieces and Antonio. "high-flying west ham" are still only 2pts ahead of Spurs and really, really could have lost this game against a poor attacking Spurs side yesterday.
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1882
1882
Today at 1:30 PM
#1,924
Guido said:
Fans need to look and the dynamic of our two CB's right now, the partnership is clearly in it's infancy... But fans who have no idea what's going on here seem to blame Dier for it!!!
Antonio's goal was scored by Kane, the man marker just didn't compete for the ball, very poor from him. Our CB's are zonal, so not marking (another point I made last week to the Dier haters who said he wasn't making anyone).
Click to expand...Zonal or not, why is it left to OUR striker to mark THEIRS?
Surely our DEFENDERS need to keep THEIR STRIKER(S) in check?
Kane can mark their CM or FB if need be... But not their MAIN GOAL THREAT!
That's what I don't get about zonal marking...
Get your best defenders to mark their best attackers, that's what defenders are for, surely that's logic, no?
It would be like asking Moura to go in goal to face a penalty, and let Hugo wait on the halfway line for any counter attack... THAT'S NOT HIS JOB!
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Raumdeuterz
Raumdeuterz
Today at 1:47 PM
#1,925
Guido said:
I think Spurs were the better of the two sides (West Ham were better in the 1st 10 mins and I thought they played quite well following the goal) but really Lloris was a total spectator during this game.
Twice our xG, one off having twice our shots, and if Lloris was a spectator so was Fabianski .. they made the same amount of saves. Really interested to know what you think made us the better team aside from having stale possession, because all the heat maps show we got in to very few good attacking positions. They probably won't have an easier game to defend in all season, all they had to do is sit and we had no answers at all.
Oh and the hyperbole line of argument doesn't wash. West Ham have a far smaller budget and wage than we do, so are judged by different standards. Just like we were when we got top 4 consistently but sides like United were a few points off us and getting criticised. They've also risen from a bottom half side to this, whereas we've dropped from a top 4 side to top 8. Understandable we get treated differently.
The Mercurial No.10
The Mercurial No.10
58 minutes ago
#1,926
We weren't just zonal, Harry is good in the air, that's why he was in there, Romero was man to man on Zouma or Ogbonna who are both huge and Soucek and Rice are both big lads too and they went front post and it went over both their heads too.
We have Moura at the front post because he's good in the air as the first man without being physical enough to mark. The fact is the ball dropped quickly past Moura and Skipp, I doubt Harry even saw it before Antonio stuck his leg out around him. Was a great delivery tbh.
It's not just about marking attackers, it's about marking the biggest threats in the air.
We still need a big huge lad/someone decent in the air at the back/midfield IMO.
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Guido
Guido "Legacy Fan"
51 minutes ago
#1,927
1882 said:
Zonal or not, why is it left to OUR striker to mark THEIRS?
Surely our DEFENDERS need to keep THEIR STRIKER(S) in check?
Kane can mark their CM or FB if need be... But not their MAIN GOAL THREAT!
That's what I don't get about zonal marking...
Get your best defenders to mark their best attackers, that's what defenders are for, surely that's logic, no?
It would be like asking Moura to go in goal to face a penalty, and let Hugo wait on the halfway line for any counter attack... THAT'S NOT HIS JOB!
Click to expand...Couldn't disagree more if I tried. mate, sorry.
It's a myth that CF's our main goal threats at Corners, it tends to be the CB's that score from corners, Kane has scored very few. Antonio isn't their main threat at Corners, it's Dawson (CB) and last season Soucek, NOT Antonio.
Just as for Chavs there top corner kick scorer was Terry, then Zoma and I think it's Rudiger this (but might be wrong on this season). England's top goal threat from corners is Magwire, Stones, was Terry, Cahill etc.. Spurs top corner threat under Poch started with Dier early on, then Vertonghen, then Toby. I'd bet that almost all teams there biggest goal threat from a corner are their CB's, so rarely it's their striker.
Historically Kane has been a brilliant defender for us at corners, countless headers out and clearances, widely commented on by media and fans alike. He just really was poor yesterday, didn't even challenge.
Ulrika Jonsson
Ulrika Jonsson
51 minutes ago
#1,928
With zonal defending where Antonio scored from was Romero’s position so either way, he should have been there. I’m not having a crack at the lad, I love lots of what he does but he missed the header that led to Dier‘s own goal last week and wasn’t competing where he should have been this week (I think it was PEH who missed the header this time).
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cbcbcb
46 minutes ago
#1,929
Guido said:
I popped in here to add a half-time comment where I wanted to highlight a point I've been banging on about in the Dier thread. Fans need to look and the dynamic of our two CB's right now, the partnership is clearly in it's infancy but I like it. It has Romero has the aggressor, playing as he dose on the front foot, looking to get ahead of the CF as the ball is played to him, give him a rough game by challenging and competing for every ball, rather than dropping off him a bit to avoid getting rolled or beat in a 1vs1.
Whilst Romero is doing this it's Dier that's anchoring behind him. It's high risk as when I popped in here at half-time I was drawing to the two occasions that Romero lost his duels 1v1 with Antonio, but Dier was positionally covering and nothing came of the two times.
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Both lead to shots on goal so more than we managed in the whole second half
Guido
Twice our xG, one off having twice our shots, and if Lloris was a spectator so was Fabianski .. they made the same amount of saves. Really interested to know what you think made us the better team aside from having stale possession, because all the heat maps show we got in to very few good attacking positions. They probably won't have an easier game to defend in all season, all they had to do is sit and we had no answers at all.
Oh and the hyperbole line of argument doesn't wash. West Ham have a far smaller budget and wage than we do, so are judged by different standards. Just like we were when we got top 4 consistently but sides like United were a few points off us and getting criticised. They've also risen from a bottom half side to this, whereas we've dropped from a top 4 side to top 8. Understandable we get treated differently.
Click to expand...XG on individual games is really bogus (I like xG but across a number of games to show the trend). West Ham offered no threat yesterday, they were toothless.
I've acknowledged how poor we were in attack, I said we were woeful. We didn't deserve to win yesterday as a direct result of this. But Kane failed to pick out Son as he has done on so many previous occasions, we should have had a pen etc.. But our passing was atrocious.
For a team that rested and trained specifically for this game, it was massively disappointing from our front 4.
West Ham were crap yesterday, they were there for the taking. But I listen to Moyes and their player's interviews post-game, read the game reports it's hyperbole around them. There is very little to choose between them and us and that's a major concern for me because I don't think they are very good, I don't like how they play and I don't want to play like them (see my comments in Nuno out the thread for more detail).
I'm not coming at this from history, if I were then we should have never have lost to them whilst under Poch and we did!! Just judging the performance of both teams on the day, irrespective of money spent, history etc".
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